Why Your Data Isn’t Changing Your Business Decisions
- Part 1 Why Your Data Isn’t Changing Your Business Decisions
- Part 2By 2028 the AI tools developers could cost more than the developers themselves?
Episode Chapters
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02:03: Marketing to developers who resist marketing
Choosing to lead marketing for a developer-focused observability platform after multiple successful exits reflects a preference for challenging, unconventional marketing environments over easier paths.
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03:21: AI accelerates the marketing value exchange
AI is removing the mechanical friction that historically slowed down marketing decision-making, enabling faster delivery of value to customers.
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04:44: Building safe AI adoption through lunch and learns
A bottoms-up change management approach, including team lunch-and-learns and monthly AI showcases, made AI adoption feel safe and became one of the most engaging parts of internal town halls.
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06:55: From manual uploads to AI-generated answers
Marketing data has evolved from painful manual processes like trade show list uploads to AI tools such as Gemini Gems that let sales reps get answers directly instead of pinging product marketing on Slack.
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09:28: Comparing AI insights against human interviews
Analyzing recorded sales calls with AI and comparing those findings against traditional win-loss interviews reveals discrepancies, such as perceived pricing issues actually being feature usage problems, exposing human bias in qualitative research.
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11:38: Real-time signals from self-service product experience
Introducing an unobtrusive AI chat interface within the product onboarding flow generates real-time signals about what resonates with customers, replacing the high-friction alternative of support tickets.
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14:15: Fact-checking AI in high-stakes forecasting
Revenue forecasting now relies on AI to process data previously calculated manually through Tableau and Snowflake, but human fact-checking remains essential since accuracy must be exact when revenue is involved.
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16:02: Automation bias and the case for checklists
Rising trust in AI-generated output, paired with declining manual review rates, illustrates automation bias—an inherent tendency to trust automated results more even as production failures increase, making structured checks and habits necessary safeguards.
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17:47: Becoming the quality police for AI output
Spot-checking AI-generated assets, like brand graphics that had quietly drifted off-brand, led to promoting a "see something, say something" culture of shared accountability across the marketing team.
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19:14: Governance gaps when agents overlap
Multiple AI agents independently updating the same data fields, such as a Salesforce record, surfaces new governance challenges that mirror old sales-versus-marketing data conflicts but now occur without visibility into which system made the change.
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20:11: Toward true one-to-one marketing
AI-assisted graphic design and streamlined self-service experiences are moving marketing closer to the long-standing goal of genuinely personalized, one-to-one customer engagement rather than broad segment-based messaging.
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22:07: Capturing every voice in enterprise buying calls
Call recording and AI analysis now capture the distinct needs of multiple stakeholders in a single enterprise sales call, enabling account-based marketing that targets individuals rather than just accounts.
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24:24: Scaling tailored collateral without losing accuracy
Producing more targeted content for each stakeholder in a buying committee has become more effective, not just faster, because AI reduces human bias in determining what topics matter most to each person.
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26:14: Earning trust with a skeptical technical audience
Communicating with a technical audience demands authenticity, zero jargon, and fast, concrete depth, since messaging must respect both the audience's time and their expectation of elegant, well-substantiated solutions.
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28:05: Turning original research into brand credibility
Producing original industry data reports and briefing customer advisory boards on the findings converts raw observability data into assets the audience genuinely values and engages with.
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29:18: Community trust over transactional marketing
Consistently offering value through original research and knowledge-sharing builds community trust and brand credibility that extends beyond conversion metrics, reinforcing that marketing to a technical audience is not transactional.
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Episode Summary
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Why Your Data Isn't Changing Your Business Decisions
Introduction
Katrina Wong, Chief Marketing Officer at New Relic, has spent 25 years and seven exits leading marketing at companies including Twilio Segment, Salesforce, Zuora, and SAP — and she now markets to developers, an audience notoriously hostile to being marketed to. Her perspective on turning data into decisions is grounded in a hard reality: 78% of technology leaders report more production incidents after deploying AI-generated code, even though 93.5% say the code looks higher quality during review. Marketers face the same trap. More data, richer signals, and faster analysis don't automatically produce decisions you can trust. -
The Three Stages of Data Maturity
Wong describes marketing data evolving through distinct stages, and most teams are still stuck in the first one. Stage one is mechanical — uploading a trade show list sounds boring until a failed upload costs you half your leads. Stage two is asking questions of the data on demand. At New Relic, that meant building Gemini Gems so sales reps could self-serve value pillar guidance instead of pinging product marketers on Slack before every call. Stage three is agents surfacing what you need before you ask. -
Turning Qualitative Signals Into Quantitative Insight
The most immediately useful application Wong described is win/loss analysis at scale. The old approach — interviewing a handful of reps and customers each quarter — carries a sampling problem and human bias. Analyzing thousands of recorded sales calls with AI produces a different answer, and New Relic runs both in parallel. In one case, humans reported a pricing and packaging issue; the AI analysis showed it was actually usage of a specific feature. Triangulating the two gives marketing an unbiased layer it didn't previously have. -
Automation Bias Is Your New Data Quality Problem
New Relic's research found only 62% of code is now being reviewed while production failures rise — evidence of what psychologists call automation bias. The same dynamic applies to marketing reporting. Wong's team replaced human pacing calculations in their Tableau-Snowflake-Salesforce forecasting stack with AI, but still fact-checks against the source of truth. Her position: when the number is revenue, a confidence score short of 100 isn't good enough, and human-in-the-loop stays. -
Governance Is Now a CMO Responsibility
Wong caught New Relic's image library drifting off-brand because most graphics were AI-generated — a small error compounding invisibly. Her operating rule for the team is blunt: **"be a good neighbor. If you see something, say something."** She also flagged a governance problem most teams haven't hit yet: multiple agents writing to the same Salesforce field, with no human aware of the conflict. The CMO role has expanded from hiring capable people to policing output quality across agents. -
Personalization at the Individual Level, Not the Persona
Recorded calls plus AI analysis let New Relic run ABM down to the individual rather than the account or persona. On a recent European retail deal, one stakeholder wanted industry strategy and AI i ovation context while others wanted a specific product capability validated. In a conference room, a human notetaker captures maybe half of that. Wong's framing is that better primary data — not faster content production — is what makes the follow-up collateral effective. -
Original Research as the Developer Trust Strategy
Marketing to engineers means no jargon, no fluff, and moving from 101 to 301 fast. New Relic's answer is using its own observability data as a research asset. The company coined "agent debt" for the gap between AI-written code volume and rising production incidents — a catchy name substantiated by proprietary data. Industry data reports are among their highest-generating tactics, briefed to the customer advisory board rather than gated behind a form. -
Conclusion
The unlock isn't more data — it's building the verification habits that make data trustworthy enough to act on. Fix the mechanical pipes first, run AI analysis alongside human interpretation rather than instead of it, assign explicit governance for agent output, and use your proprietary data to serve the community before you sell to it. As Wong puts it, the question is always **"what value are we truly providing to our customers in exchange for their time?" -
- Part 1 Why Your Data Isn’t Changing Your Business Decisions
- Part 2By 2028 the AI tools developers could cost more than the developers themselves?
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Part 1Why Your Data Isn’t Changing Your Business Decisions
AI is helping marketers move faster, but not always smarter. Katrina Wong, Chief Marketing Officer at New Relic, explains how her team turns raw data into decisions leadership can trust. She covers using AI to analyze recorded sales calls for unbiased win-loss insights, deploying real-time in-product signals to personalize the self-service funnel, and building a human-in-the-loop fact-checking process to catch AI drift before it erodes trust in the data.
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Part 2By 2028 the AI tools developers could cost more than the developers themselves?
AI development costs won't outpace developer salaries by 2028. Katrina Wong, Chief Marketing Officer at New Relic, brings 20+ years of enterprise marketing leadership and AI-driven go-to-market expertise. She predicts market competition and open models will keep AI tooling affordable, while token costs won't scale to $250,000 per developer per year. Wong also points to one-to-one personalized marketing and selling as the next frontier AI will unlock.
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