Navigating the AI boom with resilient marketing
- B2B
- AI Personalization
- Marketing Consultant
- Artificial Intelligence, Customer Experience (CX), Marketing Strategy
- Part 1 Navigating the AI boom with resilient marketing
- Part 2The most overhyped AI use case in marketing right now
- Part 3New line of responsibility between the marketing and engineering teams
- Part 4One universal truth of marketing for B2B Tech companies
- Part 5The biggest risk of marketers trusting AI
- Part 6Which frontier model will win the AI-platform battle?
Episode Chapters
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01:30: Early AI Adoption Challenges
Marketing teams are experimenting with AI tools but treating them more like basic copywriting assistants rather than leveraging their transformative potential for customer experience optimization.
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04:58: AI as Transformational Technology
This technology shift represents a fundamental change comparable to the commercial internet's emergence, requiring experimentation to understand its full impact on marketing workflows and customer interactions.
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08:19: Beyond Content to Personalization
Advanced AI applications include automated multivariate testing, personalized website experiences, and scaling optimization efforts that previously required significant manual resources and time.
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12:00: Dual Audience Strategy
Websites now serve both human visitors and AI crawlers, requiring answer engine optimization to compete effectively when brands become disintermediated by large language models.
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14:26: Traffic Quality Over Quantity
Website traffic volumes may decrease while visitor quality improves, as users conduct research through AI tools before arriving at websites further down the conversion fu el.
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17:34: Attention Economy Dynamics
Success requires capturing and maintaining attention through immersive website experiences, with collaborative platforms enabling cross-functional teams to move quickly while maintaining brand consistency.
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20:01: Experimentation Graveyard Philosophy
Failed experiments represent valuable learning opportunities rather than waste, with successful marketing teams celebrating attempts and sharing insights openly to accelerate industry adoption.
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22:03: Scientific Experiment Design
Effective AI experimentation requires structured approaches with clear hypotheses, control groups, defined parameters, and retrospective analysis to maximize learning and resource efficiency.
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24:44: Balancing Incrementality and Direction
Successful marketing strategies combine incremental optimization gains with strategic brand positioning decisions, avoiding the trap of endless small adjustments without clear directional purpose.
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26:55: Strategic Navigation Framework
Marketing leaders must maintain customer focus and market awareness to establish three-year directional goals while experimenting tactically to reach those objectives through uncertain terrain.
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Episode Summary
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Navigating the AI Boom with Resilient Marketing
Introduction
Dave Steer, CMO of Webflow, brings over two decades of experience leading marketing at category-defining companies like GitLab, Cloudflare, Facebook, and Twitter. In his conversation with Benjamin Shapiro, Steer reveals why 80% of marketers are still treating AI like a simple copywriting assistant rather than leveraging it for transformative customer experiences. With Webflow's platform enabling teams to build AI-driven personalized websites, Steer offers practical insights on moving beyond basic AI applications to create competitive advantages through intelligent experimentation and dynamic web experiences. -
The Big Papi Moment: Why AI Is Different This Time
Steer compares the current AI revolution to the commercial internet's arrival in the 1990s, calling it bigger than the iPhone moment. "This is how it felt like when the commercial Internet came, and that was a tectonic shift in how we thought about content, how we thought about media, how we thought about co ecting," he explains. The challenge isn't just technological—it's about people and process transformation. While technology can shift rapidly, getting teams comfortable with new ways of working takes time. Marketing teams are leading AI adoption because they love to experiment, but most are still stuck in what Steer calls "wave one"—using AI primarily for content creation rather than exploring its potential for personalization and optimization at scale. -
From Content Creation to Intelligent Optimization
The real opportunity lies in moving to "wave two" of AI adoption: using artificial intelligence to create personalization on websites and enable testing at unprecedented scale. Instead of ru ing one A/B test, marketers can now run 100 simultaneous tests with AI helping identify what to test based on user interactions. Steer emphasizes that AI removes one of the primary blockers for growth marketers: knowing where to start. By analyzing website interaction data, AI can suggest optimization opportunities that would take human teams weeks to identify. This shift from manual testing to AI-driven experimentation represents a fundamental change in how marketing teams can drive growth. -
The Two-Audience Challenge
Modern websites must now serve two distinct audiences: humans and robots. "You're still speaking to humans, so you need a website experience that is going to delight and maybe enable people to fall in love with you and your brand. But you're also speaking to robots," Steer notes. This dual requirement has given rise to Answer Engine Optimization (AEO), where content structure must inform AI and LLMs crawling websites. Webflow has developed an AEO maturity model helping marketers structure their sites from stage one through stage five expertise. The critical insight: people's first impression of your brand now happens before they even visit your website, making content structure more important than ever. -
Creativity as Competitive Advantage
While AI threatens to create a "sea of sameness" in marketing content, Steer sees opportunity in this challenge. He predicts that creativity will become the ultimate competitive advantage, bringing marketing back to its storytelling roots. The key is using AI as an accelerant while maintaining brand distinctiveness through what Webflow calls a "brand operating system"—design standards and variables with guardrails that enable teams to move quickly while staying on-brand. This balance between automation and creativity becomes especially critical as overall website traffic decreases but visitor quality improves, with more qualified prospects arriving further down the fu el. -
Embracing the Experimentation Graveyard
Steer advocates for treating failed experiments as features, not bugs. "The sign of healthy experimentation is that you're going to fail. And failure is fine as long as you're failing fast and you're learning from it," he emphasizes. Marketing teams need psychological safety to fail and should celebrate every experiment, successful or not. The wi ers will be those experimenting in the open, sharing what works and what doesn't, becoming magnets for other marketers to follow their lead. This culture of experimentation becomes even more critical with AI, where the primary barrier to adoption is simply not knowing where to start. -
Conclusion
The AI boom represents a fundamental shift in marketing that goes far beyond automated copywriting. As Dave Steer demonstrates, the real opportunity lies in using AI for intelligent website optimization, creating dynamic experiences that serve both human visitors and AI crawlers, and maintaining creative differentiation in an increasingly automated world. Success requires balancing experimentation with strategic direction, embracing failure as learning, and recognizing that while AI can accelerate testing and optimization, human creativity and storytelling remain irreplaceable. For the 80% of marketers still on the sidelines, the message is clear: AI isn't just another tool—it's reshaping how customers expect to interact with brands, and those who don't adapt risk being left behind. -
- Part 1 Navigating the AI boom with resilient marketing
- Part 2The most overhyped AI use case in marketing right now
- Part 3New line of responsibility between the marketing and engineering teams
- Part 4One universal truth of marketing for B2B Tech companies
- Part 5The biggest risk of marketers trusting AI
- Part 6Which frontier model will win the AI-platform battle?
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Part 1Navigating the AI boom with resilient marketing
Most marketers treat AI as a copywriting assistant instead of a customer experience transformation tool. Dave Steer is Chief Marketing Officer at Webflow, specializing in AI-driven website personalization and answer engine optimization for enterprise growth. He explains how to structure content for both human visitors and AI crawlers, implement automated multivariate testing at scale, and maintain strategic direction while experimenting with AI-powered optimization tools.
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Part 2The most overhyped AI use case in marketing right now
Content generation is the most overhyped AI use case in marketing. Dave Steer, CMO at Webflow, argues that marketers are focusing too narrowly on AI as a content creation tool rather than exploring its broader strategic potential. He advocates for building agentic AI workflows that orchestrate customer experiences and automate complex marketing processes. Steer emphasizes creating sophisticated automation systems where marketers become editors of AI output rather than manual content creators.
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Part 3New line of responsibility between the marketing and engineering teams
Marketing teams now handle engineering workflows as AI tools blur traditional boundaries. Dave Steer, CMO at Webflow, explains how marketers are gaining developer superpowers while maintaining distinct responsibilities. He outlines how marketing owns vision creation while engineering ensures reliability and infrastructure. The discussion covers how no-code platforms enable marketers to build technical solutions while preserving the critical need for engineering expertise in enterprise environments.
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Part 4One universal truth of marketing for B2B Tech companies
B2B tech marketing requires constant adaptation to survive industry disruption. Dave Steer, Chief Marketing Officer at Webflow, brings two decades of scaling experience from GitLab, Cloudflare, and other category-defining companies. He explains why successful marketers treat their strategies like stock portfolios with both long-term anchors and rapid pivots. Steer outlines how experimentation frameworks help teams adapt quickly when market conditions shift unexpectedly.
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Part 5The biggest risk of marketers trusting AI
Marketers risk becoming lazy by blindly trusting AI outputs without critical thinking. Dave Steer, CMO at Webflow, explains how to maintain strategic judgment while leveraging artificial intelligence effectively. He demonstrates creating a custom "chief of staff" GPT trained on company context and decision-making frameworks to challenge thinking rather than replace it. Steer emphasizes treating AI as a strategic partner that asks probing questions instead of a tool that generates mindless outputs.
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Part 6Which frontier model will win the AI-platform battle?
AI platform selection remains uncertain as frontier models rapidly evolve. Dave Steer, Chief Marketing Officer at Webflow, brings two decades of scaling experience at GitLab, Cloudflare, and other category-defining companies to discuss navigating the current AI landscape. He argues that context-aware platforms built on top of commodity frontier models will determine competitive advantage, with marketing workflow platforms like Webflow positioning to compete against developer-focused tools like GitHub and GitLab.
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