Are clean rooms actually solving the privacy problem or just adding complexity?
Graham Mudd
Anonym (a Mozilla company)
- Part 1Mozilla’s Privacy-Friendly Ad Targeting
- Part 2Does contextual targeting actually outperform audience-based approaches?
- Part 3 Are clean rooms actually solving the privacy problem or just adding complexity?
- Part 4What convinced you to leave your VP role at Meta to found a privacy-focused startup?
- Part 5What mistakes are marketers making by investing in first-party data strategies?
Episode Chapters
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00:00: Clean Rooms and Privacy
Clean rooms alone don't solve privacy issues - they're just a form of confidential computing that requires proper privacy-preserving methodologies to be effective.
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00:42: FTC's Clean Room Stance
The FTC recently clarified that clean rooms aren't inherently private and must implement privacy-safe methodologies to provide actual protection.
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01:07: Beyond the Clean Room
Simply moving existing practices into a clean room environment doesn't make them privacy-compliant without changing the underlying methodologies.
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Episode Summary
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Are Clean Rooms Actually Solving the Privacy Problem or Just Adding Complexity?
Introduction
In this episode of the MarTech Podcast, host Benjamin Shapiro interviews Graham Mudd, SVP of Product Management at Anonym, a Mozilla company that develops privacy-preserving technologies for digital advertising. As a former Vice President of Product Marketing for Ads and Business Products at Meta, Mudd brings deep expertise in the intersection of analytics and data-driven advertising, offering valuable insights on whether clean rooms are truly addressing privacy concerns or simply adding another layer of complexity to the marketing technology landscape. -
Clean Rooms: Not Inherently Private
According to Mudd, clean rooms are just one piece of the privacy puzzle, but there's nothing inherently private about them. "All a clean room is is a form of confidential computing. Two parties put data into a place and they do stuff with that data. What you do with that data is what makes it private or not," explains Mudd. This distinction is crucial for marketers who might assume that implementing a clean room solution automatically addresses privacy concerns. The technology itself is merely a framework—the privacy protections come from how that framework is utilized. -
Regulatory Perspective on Clean Rooms
The conversation highlights recent regulatory attention to clean rooms, with Mudd referencing an FTC blog post that specifically addressed the ad industry's use of these technologies. The FTC clarified that clean rooms aren't private by default—they only enhance privacy when they incorporate genuinely privacy-preserving methodologies. For marketing technology leaders, this means that simply moving existing data practices into a clean room environment without modifying those practices doesn't improve privacy compliance or consumer protection. -
Implementation vs. Intent
The critical factor in determining whether clean rooms actually solve privacy problems lies in implementation. Marketers need to understand that the value of clean rooms comes from deploying privacy-safe methodologies within them, not from the mere existence of the technology. If organizations continue the same data practices they were using outside clean rooms, they aren't actually enhancing privacy—they're simply changing the venue where potential privacy violations occur. -
Privacy-Preserving Technologies as Performance Enhancers
What makes Anonym's approach noteworthy is the company's founding belief that advanced technologies can enable high-performing, measurable advertising while simultaneously preserving consumer privacy. This perspective challenges the common industry assumption that privacy protection necessarily comes at the cost of advertising effectiveness. For marketing executives, this suggests that investing in genuine privacy-preserving technologies might not only address compliance concerns but could potentially improve targeting results. -
Key Takeaways for Marketing Professionals
Marketing technology leaders should approach clean room solutions with a critical eye, focusing on the methodologies implemented within them rather than the technology itself. The distinction between having a clean room and using it in privacy-preserving ways is crucial for both regulatory compliance and ethical data stewardship. As privacy regulations continue to evolve, marketers who understand this nuance will be better positioned to develop strategies that respect consumer privacy while still delivering effective, data-driven campaigns. -
- Part 1Mozilla’s Privacy-Friendly Ad Targeting
- Part 2Does contextual targeting actually outperform audience-based approaches?
- Part 3 Are clean rooms actually solving the privacy problem or just adding complexity?
- Part 4What convinced you to leave your VP role at Meta to found a privacy-focused startup?
- Part 5What mistakes are marketers making by investing in first-party data strategies?
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Part 1Mozilla’s Privacy-Friendly Ad Targeting
Privacy-friendly ad targeting is getting harder as cookies disappear. Graham Mudd, SVP of Product at Anonym (Mozilla), shares how privacy-preserving technologies can actually improve targeting results. Marketers can leverage first-party data using advanced machine learning techniques to find lookalike audiences without sharing customer data with ad platforms. This approach delivers approximately 30% better efficiency in finding converters compared to broad targeting, while maintaining compliance with evolving privacy regulations across different markets.
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Part 2Does contextual targeting actually outperform audience-based approaches?
Privacy-friendly targeting is reshaping digital advertising. Graham Mudd, SVP of Product at Anonym (Mozilla), shares his expertise in developing technologies that preserve privacy while delivering performance. He explains how behavioral targeting can outperform contextual approaches when implemented with privacy-preserving methods, and why first-party data remains a valuable behavioral goldmine without compromising user privacy.
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Part 3Are clean rooms actually solving the privacy problem or just adding complexity?
Privacy-friendly targeting remains elusive despite new technologies. Graham Mudd, SVP of Product at Anonym (Mozilla), brings expertise from leadership roles at Meta, Comscore, and Yahoo to address this challenge. He explains why clean rooms aren't inherently private without proper methodologies, clarifies the FTC's position on confidential computing practices, and demonstrates how privacy-preserving technologies can actually improve targeting results rather than simply adding complexity.
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Part 4What convinced you to leave your VP role at Meta to found a privacy-focused startup?
Privacy-friendly targeting is becoming essential for marketers. Graham Mudd, SVP of Product at Anonym (Mozilla), shares his journey from Meta VP to founding a privacy-focused adtech startup. He explains how technologies developed in highly regulated industries like healthcare and financial services can be adapted for digital advertising, enabling high-performing campaigns while preserving user privacy and complying with increasing global regulations.
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Part 5What mistakes are marketers making by investing in first-party data strategies?
First-party data strategies can backfire without privacy considerations. Graham Mudd, SVP of Product at Anonym (Mozilla), shares his expertise at the intersection of analytics and privacy-preserving advertising technology. He explains the middle ground between oversharing customer data and being too conservative with valuable first-party information, while exploring how synthetic data and AI-driven approaches can maximize targeting effectiveness without compromising user privacy.
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