The number one thing marketers do that drives sales teams absolutely crazy
- Part 1Why Marketing wants Sales to love them (and why they’re just not into us).
- Part 2 The number one thing marketers do that drives sales teams absolutely crazy
- Part 3Best tip for a new CMO working with a skeptical marketing-resistant sales leader
- Part 4Most radical organizational structure change that improved alignment
- Part 5One alignment tactic every B2B company should implement
Episode Chapters
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00:24: What Drives Sales Crazy
The biggest frustration for sales teams is when marketers focus on lead quantity rather than lead quality and pipeline readiness.
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00:53: Quality Over Quantity
Sales teams need fully qualified prospects with the right timing, budget, and use case rather than raw lead volume from any source.
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01:36: Pipeline vs Impressions
Website traffic and impressions mean nothing to sales teams who need actual qualified pipeline they can convert into revenue.
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Episode Summary
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The Number One Thing Marketers Do That Drives Sales Teams Absolutely Crazy
# nIntroduction
# Kelly Hopping, CMO of Demandbase and co-author of "Yes, It's Your Fault: From Blame to Gain," cuts straight to the heart of marketing and sales misalignment with a simple truth: sales teams don't care about leads. As host of the Next Gen CMO podcast and former Chief Marketing Officer at Gartner Digital Markets, Hopping brings deep expertise in B2B go-to-market strategies and the critical importance of moving beyond vanity metrics to drive real business growth.#n#n1Why Sales Teams Roll Their Eyes at Lead Metrics
# The disco ect between marketing and sales often starts with a fundamental misunderstanding about what constitutes success. When marketers proudly present lead numbers, sales teams hear empty promises. "They don't care about leads," Hopping states bluntly. "They want qualified pipeline that actually has the right time, the right buyer, the right message, the right need state, the right use case." This gap in perspective creates friction that undermines revenue growth and team collaboration.#n#n1The Lead Quality Problem
# Sales teams view raw lead counts as meaningless because they understand a harsh reality: leads can come from anywhere, and most aren't worth pursuing. Without proper qualification, budget verification, and buying intent signals, leads represent potential work without potential revenue. Marketing teams celebrating website visitors and form fills miss the point entirely - sales needs prospects who are ready to engage in meaningful buying conversations, not just names in a database.#n#n1Moving from Vanity Metrics to Revenue Impact
# The solution requires marketing teams to shift their focus from top-of-fu el metrics to pipeline contribution. Instead of celebrating three million website impressions or thousands of new leads, marketing must demonstrate how their efforts translate into qualified opportunities that sales can actually close. This means implementing robust lead scoring, account-based strategies, and qualification processes that filter out tire-kickers from serious buyers.#n#n1Building Trust Through Pipeline Contribution
# Marketing teams often fall into the trap of asking sales to "just trust us" that leads will eventually mature into opportunities. This approach breeds resentment and reinforces the divide between teams. Instead, marketing must prove their value by delivering prospects who match ideal customer profiles, demonstrate clear buying signals, and have the budget and authority to make purchasing decisions. Only then will sales teams stop rolling their eyes at lead reports and start viewing marketing as a true revenue partner.#n#n1Creating Sustainable Alignment
# The path forward requires both teams to align around shared revenue goals rather than departmental metrics. Marketing must embrace accountability for pipeline quality, not just quantity. This means investing in technologies and processes that identify buying intent, score leads effectively, and nurture prospects until they're genuinely sales-ready. Sales teams, in turn, need to provide clear feedback on what constitutes a qualified opportunity and work collaboratively with marketing to refine targeting and messaging.#n#n1Conclusion
# Kelly Hopping's insights reveal that the biggest source of sales and marketing friction isn't about effort or intention - it's about misaligned success metrics. When marketing celebrates leads while sales demands pipeline, both teams lose. The solution lies in marketing teams evolving beyond vanity metrics to embrace their role as revenue drivers. By focusing on delivering qualified pipeline rather than raw leads, marketing can transform from a cost center into a growth engine that sales teams genuinely value and trust.#n#n1
- Part 1Why Marketing wants Sales to love them (and why they’re just not into us).
- Part 2 The number one thing marketers do that drives sales teams absolutely crazy
- Part 3Best tip for a new CMO working with a skeptical marketing-resistant sales leader
- Part 4Most radical organizational structure change that improved alignment
- Part 5One alignment tactic every B2B company should implement
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Part 1Why Marketing wants Sales to love them (and why they’re just not into us).
Sales and marketing alignment remains elusive despite decades of effort. Kelly Hopping, CMO of Demandbase, shares proven strategies for bridging the costly departmental divide. She outlines three critical alignment tactics: establishing shared pipeline metrics as the universal success measure, restructuring RevOps to report independently from both departments to eliminate territorial data disputes, and implementing AI-powered SDR tools like Reggie for automated follow-up and Nooks for increased outbound volume.
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Part 2The number one thing marketers do that drives sales teams absolutely crazy
Marketing and sales teams clash over lead quality versus pipeline readiness. Kelly Hopping, CMO of Demandbase, explains why sales teams dismiss marketing's lead generation efforts. She reveals that sales wants fully qualified pipeline with verified budget, timing, and buyer intent rather than raw lead volume. The discussion covers how marketers can shift from vanity metrics like website visitors to pipeline metrics that sales actually values.
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Part 3Best tip for a new CMO working with a skeptical marketing-resistant sales leader
Sales leaders resist marketing initiatives when they don't see immediate pipeline impact. Kelly Hopping, CMO of Demandbase, shares strategies for building trust with skeptical sales teams while maintaining long-term brand health. She explains how to balance demand creation with demand capture using a "bank account" approach and demonstrates how modern brand marketing can drive measurable conversions through QR codes, content CTAs, and digital touchpoints.
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Part 4Most radical organizational structure change that improved alignment
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Part 5One alignment tactic every B2B company should implement
Sales and marketing alignment fails when teams optimize for different metrics. Kelly Hopping, CMO of Demandbase, explains how shared pipeline accountability transforms B2B revenue operations. She details moving SDR teams under marketing leadership while aligning both organizations to pipeline metrics instead of separate SQL and closed-won targets. The discussion covers implementing weekly funnel reviews and restructuring compensation models to create true cross-functional partnership.
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