One growth tactic that worked in 2015 that will still work in 2035
- Part 1AI Personalization in Direct Mail Campaigns
- Part 2The most creative piece of direct mail
- Part 3 One growth tactic that worked in 2015 that will still work in 2035
- Part 4Pitch to a 25-year-old performance marketer to get them to test direct mail
- Part 5The marketing tactic everyone’s sleeping on right now
Episode Chapters
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02:12: Digital Fatigue Drives Mail Renaissance
Rising email saturation and declining digital ad effectiveness are pushing marketers back to direct mail, with physical touchpoints offering surprise and delight factors especially among younger demographics.
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04:34: Physical Beats Digital Conversion Rates
Direct mail achieves 4-9% conversion rates compared to email's 1-3%, with the tactile experience creating meaningful co ections in an increasingly digital world.
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07:15: API-Driven Mail Automation
Modern direct mail operates like web pages through APIs, enabling real-time triggers from digital events like cart abandonment with infinite personalization using HTML and merge variables.
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10:57: Speed Versus Cost Optimization
Mail delivery can be optimized for either speed (3-5 days) or cost efficiency through batching and routing algorithms, with logistics networks reducing postage costs significantly.
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15:16: QR Codes Enable Attribution
Personalized QR codes create direct attribution paths while pre-populating landing pages with recipient data, achieving conversion rates up to 25-30% for optimized campaigns.
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20:50: Gen Z Embraces Physical Mail
85% of Gen Z reads direct mail and 53% consider it more special than digital messages, with 67% taking action as a result of physical mail campaigns.
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22:24: AI Optimizes Entire Mail Journey
Artificial intelligence enhances every step from creative generation to delivery routing, automatically selecting mail classes based on speed requirements and predicting undeliverable addresses to reduce waste.
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Episode Summary
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How AI-Powered Direct Mail Cuts Through Digital Fatigue to Drive 9% Conversion Rates
Introduction
Ryan Ferrier, CEO of Lob, reveals why 82% of marketers plan to increase direct mail investment in 2025 despite rising postal costs. With nearly two decades of experience scaling startups and driving revenue growth, Ferrier shares how modern direct mail leverages AI and automation to achieve conversion rates that dwarf digital cha els. His insights challenge the perception of mail as slow and unmeasurable, showing how brands like L'Occitane and SimpliSafe use API-driven mail campaigns to create personalized touchpoints that convert at rates traditional digital marketers can only dream about. -
The Renaissance of Physical Mail in a Digital World
Direct mail is experiencing a surprising resurgence, particularly among younger demographics. According to Lob's State of Direct Mail Report, 85% of Gen Z consumers read or respond to mail, with 53% saying direct mail feels more special or valuable than digital communications. This shift stems from overwhelming digital fatigue—email inboxes have become graveyards where marketing messages go to die. While email campaigns celebrate 1-3% click-through rates, direct mail achieves 4% conversion on cold lists and an impressive 9% on curated house lists. The key insight? As digital cha els become increasingly saturated and expensive, the physical mailbox offers a less crowded, more impactful alternative for reaching customers. -
From Mailhouse Melvin to ROI Rock Star
The transformation of direct mail isn't just about the cha el—it's about the people ru ing it. Ferrier describes the evolution from "Mailhouse Melvin," the traditional mail room operator, to modern marketers who speak the language of customer acquisition costs and omnicha el attribution. This shift enables direct mail to integrate seamlessly with digital marketing stacks through APIs, creating trigger-based campaigns that respond to cart abandonment, website visits, or customer lifecycle events. The result is a cha el that operates with the precision of email marketing but delivers the impact of physical touchpoints. -
API-Driven Automation Changes Everything
Modern direct mail operates nothing like traditional batch-and-blast campaigns. Lob's API approach enables marketers to trigger personalized mail pieces based on real-time events, with mail reaching recipients in as little as three to five days. The platform treats each mail piece like a web page, using HTML and merge variables to create infinite personalization possibilities. Through integration with CRMs, CDPs, and marketing automation platforms, brands can orchestrate mail campaigns that respond instantly to customer behaviors. One example: Next Insurance uses triggered mail with pre-populated renewal forms, achieving 25-30% conversion rates by combining personalization with friction reduction. -
The Attribution Solution
Attribution has long been direct mail's Achilles heel, but modern approaches solve this puzzle through multiple methods. QR codes with personalized URLs enable direct tracking while maintaining the tactile experience. Ferrier notes that personalized URLs typically see 5% conversion rates, significantly higher than digital alternatives. Beyond direct attribution, holdout campaigns reveal the true impact by comparing results between audiences who receive mail versus those who don't. This combination of direct tracking and statistical analysis finally gives marketers the ROI clarity they need to justify and optimize mail investments. -
AI Optimization Across the Entire Mail Journey
Artificial intelligence touches every aspect of modern direct mail, from creative generation to delivery optimization. On the front end, AI helps generate and test marketing copy and images, enabling rapid multivariate testing without expensive agency resources. But the real power lies in backend optimization. Lob's AI analyzes delivery patterns to recommend when standard mail will arrive as quickly as first-class mail, saving "several cents on every mailer" for high-volume senders. Machine learning algorithms also predict undeliverable addresses beyond USPS databases, potentially saving millions in wasted sends. The routing algorithm uses atomic-level tracking data to optimize saturation patterns and forecast delivery speeds, giving marketers precise control over the cost-speed tradeoff. -
Key Takeaways for Modern Marketers
Direct mail's transformation from legacy cha el to precision marketing weapon offers several critical lessons. First, don't dismiss cha els based on outdated perceptions—what seems old can become new again when reimagined with modern technology. Second, the most effective marketing strategies combine digital and physical touchpoints in coordinated campaigns. Third, AI's greatest impact often comes from optimizing operations rather than just personalizing content. For marketers struggling with rising digital advertising costs and declining email engagement, direct mail represents an underutilized cha el that delivers measurable results. The brands wi ing with direct mail aren't sending more mail—they're sending smarter mail that arrives at the perfect moment with personalized messages that convert. -
- Part 1AI Personalization in Direct Mail Campaigns
- Part 2The most creative piece of direct mail
- Part 3 One growth tactic that worked in 2015 that will still work in 2035
- Part 4Pitch to a 25-year-old performance marketer to get them to test direct mail
- Part 5The marketing tactic everyone’s sleeping on right now
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Part 1AI Personalization in Direct Mail Campaigns
Direct mail faces attribution and personalization challenges despite rising investment. Ryan Ferrier is CEO of Lob, the direct mail automation platform serving over 12,000 businesses with API-driven mail campaigns. The discussion covers AI-powered routing algorithms that optimize speed versus cost trade-offs, personalized QR codes with custom landing pages achieving 5% average conversion rates, and automated address verification systems that prevent undeliverable mail sends.
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Part 2The most creative piece of direct mail
Direct mail conversion rates outperform email by 300%. Ryan Ferrier is CEO of Lob, the direct mail automation platform serving over 12,000 businesses including L'Occitane and SimpliSafe. His team discusses API-triggered mail campaigns that respond to cart abandonment within three days, AI algorithms that optimize postage costs by routing mail through national printer networks, and QR code attribution systems generating 25% conversion rates for personalized landing pages.
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Part 3One growth tactic that worked in 2015 that will still work in 2035
Direct mail automation struggles with speed and attribution challenges. Ryan Ferrier is CEO of Lob, the direct mail automation platform used by over 12,000 businesses to modernize physical mail campaigns. The discussion covers AI-powered routing algorithms that optimize speed versus cost trade-offs, API-triggered mail pieces that respond to digital events like cart abandonment, and QR code attribution systems that achieve 5% average conversion rates with personalized landing pages.
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Part 4Pitch to a 25-year-old performance marketer to get them to test direct mail
Performance marketers struggle with direct mail attribution and speed. Ryan Ferrier is CEO of Lob, the direct mail automation platform serving over 12,000 businesses with API-driven personalized campaigns. The discussion covers AI-powered delivery optimization that automatically selects standard vs. first-class postage based on speed requirements, real-time address verification APIs that prevent undeliverable mail and save millions in wasted sends, and QR code attribution systems with personalized URLs achieving 5% average conversion rates and up to 30% for compliance-ready campaigns.
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Part 5The marketing tactic everyone’s sleeping on right now
Direct mail conversion rates outperform email by 3x despite rising postal costs. Ryan Ferrier is CEO of Lob, the direct mail automation platform serving over 12,000 businesses including L'Occitane and SimpliSafe. The discussion covers AI-powered routing algorithms that optimize speed versus cost trade-offs, API-triggered mail campaigns based on digital events like cart abandonment, and QR code attribution systems that deliver 5% average conversion rates with personalized landing pages.
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